GCKaMaara
04-06 12:02 AM
All,
The object of this thread is straightforward - it is to understand if you as a donor member will contribute more $ (or start contributing!) if you get more regular information updates (weekly?) from Core? I know there was a funding drive in March which led to us meeting the goal of $10,000 (and then some). However, while there has been a new goal of $10,000 created for April, we have made little progress towards that. As someone who contributed $100 the first time round in March, but haven't yet made a contribution towards the April funding drive, I can admit that one of the primary reasons for this is because there has been very limited information shared since then. While I COMPLETELY trust in the fact that the Core team is making every effort humanly possible to further our cause, I am also a member of the human race that by nature seeks information and looks for leadership to be more sharing about progress. I personally believe transparency is a key enabler not just to gaining participation and building momentum, but also to creating innovative solutions to problems by engaging more individuals in the process (borrowing this "leaf" from President's Obama's playbook will be highly beneficial to our casuse)
Let me clarify this is NOT an indication of lack of trust in Core NOR do I believe that there isn't a sincere effort being put in by a whole bunch of dedicated individuals. However, my suggestion is simply an idea to further the cause - would definitely like to hear how the rest of this immigration community feels!
Thanks for your participation in this poll.
Cheers
P.S: Just to be clear, I am referring to Regular Updates to DONORS i.e CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS
Answer to your question: Yes.
Few questions roaming in my mind:
1. I am not clear what is core? All I know is Pappu so far. Who are the other members? What do they do? What is distribution of responsibilities? Hows core team formed? Do we or "donors" elect core every year?
The object of this thread is straightforward - it is to understand if you as a donor member will contribute more $ (or start contributing!) if you get more regular information updates (weekly?) from Core? I know there was a funding drive in March which led to us meeting the goal of $10,000 (and then some). However, while there has been a new goal of $10,000 created for April, we have made little progress towards that. As someone who contributed $100 the first time round in March, but haven't yet made a contribution towards the April funding drive, I can admit that one of the primary reasons for this is because there has been very limited information shared since then. While I COMPLETELY trust in the fact that the Core team is making every effort humanly possible to further our cause, I am also a member of the human race that by nature seeks information and looks for leadership to be more sharing about progress. I personally believe transparency is a key enabler not just to gaining participation and building momentum, but also to creating innovative solutions to problems by engaging more individuals in the process (borrowing this "leaf" from President's Obama's playbook will be highly beneficial to our casuse)
Let me clarify this is NOT an indication of lack of trust in Core NOR do I believe that there isn't a sincere effort being put in by a whole bunch of dedicated individuals. However, my suggestion is simply an idea to further the cause - would definitely like to hear how the rest of this immigration community feels!
Thanks for your participation in this poll.
Cheers
P.S: Just to be clear, I am referring to Regular Updates to DONORS i.e CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS
Answer to your question: Yes.
Few questions roaming in my mind:
1. I am not clear what is core? All I know is Pappu so far. Who are the other members? What do they do? What is distribution of responsibilities? Hows core team formed? Do we or "donors" elect core every year?
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gcseeker2002
12-06 12:00 PM
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us-alien
01-25 11:37 AM
contibuted $100 today thru paypal. its good that you added a link on this site. its much easier to pay.
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chanduv23
09-19 04:07 PM
Not entirely true, I switched job a couple of months ago - filed for AC21. I got an acknowledgment from USCIS for the same - stating that it will be added to my file, to be reviewed when my application is processed.
Well both are true - but most cases do not reach the file.
Well both are true - but most cases do not reach the file.
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NWISE
05-27 06:17 PM
Interesting... someone doesn't like my post. Just wondering if it's those Anties?
Didn't think my suggestion was that good that it merit your attention ;)
Just so you know... I don't give two hoots for those red dots but thought I'll let you know: we're slow to get together but eventually we'll roll all over you :p
Didn't think my suggestion was that good that it merit your attention ;)
Just so you know... I don't give two hoots for those red dots but thought I'll let you know: we're slow to get together but eventually we'll roll all over you :p
dhirajs98
06-28 02:03 PM
my pd is march 07. my agency told me they converted my I 140 into premium on june 18.But my case status still hasn changed from 'RECIEVED N PENDING". Is there any delay by the uscis usually in changing the status?
Can somebody please clarify?
My RFE response to the I-140 PP was sent on June 7th but I have received anything from USCIS. Status on theor wesite is still old. Its almost 3 weeks after I sent the response to the RFE. I am not sure what is going on w/ USCIS these days. They have taken money to process it in premium but it seems they don't bother to complete case in 15 working days anymore.
Can somebody please clarify?
My RFE response to the I-140 PP was sent on June 7th but I have received anything from USCIS. Status on theor wesite is still old. Its almost 3 weeks after I sent the response to the RFE. I am not sure what is going on w/ USCIS these days. They have taken money to process it in premium but it seems they don't bother to complete case in 15 working days anymore.
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saileshdude
07-04 12:22 PM
I have been a big fan of IV and have been a visitor to IV for a while. I now plan to become a volunteer and join my state chapter and also contribute in all possible ways to IV because I think IV is the best thing to happen to this community.
Dear gurus - here is my issue and I need some real concrete help.
I was working for a New Jersey based consulting company on a percentage basis ie 80/20 and all costs towards GC and h1b were by me. I found my own projects and negotiated my own billing rate.
I worked for this company for 3 years and filed for 485 in July 2007. I am EB2 India with a priority date of March 2nd, 2006. My 140 was approved in June, 2006.
In March, 2008 my project got over and I started looking for new projects. Market conditions forced me to take up a fulltime job using my EAD and I had to move into a fulltime job.
As it is safe past 180 days, I used AC21 portability and moved.
I had been having excellent relationship with my desi employer and in fact also payed up some money to the employer because the client did not pay for last 2 months of my project and my desi employer held me responsible as it was me who negotiated with the client and said it is my issue - for which I agreed.
I already sent a AC21 letter to USCIS through my Attorney - I am not sure if my file got updated.
My desi employer wants to withdraw the 140 petition now. He says, he cannot keep 140 petitions of employees who leave the organization and not on w2 and he will have "ability to pay issue"
I have heard horror stories of USCIS issuing denials and NOID because AC21 letter never reached the file even though it was sent in time and I guess this is exactly what my desi employer thinks - teach lesson by withdrawing 140.
I spoke to my Attorney and she says "your file may not be updated but we will keep a record that we sent" useful in case we want to respond to NOID or RFE.
Folks - please post your AC21 success/horror stories when previous employer withdrew the 140 petition.
What are my options to avoid a NOID or denial
Thanks in advance
I am in a similar situation , though not exactly the same. In my case I was laid off and my company is going to revoke the I-140 because the position is not there any more. I pleaded them not revoke the I-140 but they said they have to withdraw it as they do not want any liability. My company has about 30,000 employees. I also have the same question as to how I should avoid NOID or denial.
I have seen lot of people switch using AC21 but most of their employers do not revoke I-140. I have yet to see cases where a person's I-140 was actually revoked after 180 days and they were still safe and got their GC approved.
Dear gurus - here is my issue and I need some real concrete help.
I was working for a New Jersey based consulting company on a percentage basis ie 80/20 and all costs towards GC and h1b were by me. I found my own projects and negotiated my own billing rate.
I worked for this company for 3 years and filed for 485 in July 2007. I am EB2 India with a priority date of March 2nd, 2006. My 140 was approved in June, 2006.
In March, 2008 my project got over and I started looking for new projects. Market conditions forced me to take up a fulltime job using my EAD and I had to move into a fulltime job.
As it is safe past 180 days, I used AC21 portability and moved.
I had been having excellent relationship with my desi employer and in fact also payed up some money to the employer because the client did not pay for last 2 months of my project and my desi employer held me responsible as it was me who negotiated with the client and said it is my issue - for which I agreed.
I already sent a AC21 letter to USCIS through my Attorney - I am not sure if my file got updated.
My desi employer wants to withdraw the 140 petition now. He says, he cannot keep 140 petitions of employees who leave the organization and not on w2 and he will have "ability to pay issue"
I have heard horror stories of USCIS issuing denials and NOID because AC21 letter never reached the file even though it was sent in time and I guess this is exactly what my desi employer thinks - teach lesson by withdrawing 140.
I spoke to my Attorney and she says "your file may not be updated but we will keep a record that we sent" useful in case we want to respond to NOID or RFE.
Folks - please post your AC21 success/horror stories when previous employer withdrew the 140 petition.
What are my options to avoid a NOID or denial
Thanks in advance
I am in a similar situation , though not exactly the same. In my case I was laid off and my company is going to revoke the I-140 because the position is not there any more. I pleaded them not revoke the I-140 but they said they have to withdraw it as they do not want any liability. My company has about 30,000 employees. I also have the same question as to how I should avoid NOID or denial.
I have seen lot of people switch using AC21 but most of their employers do not revoke I-140. I have yet to see cases where a person's I-140 was actually revoked after 180 days and they were still safe and got their GC approved.
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razis123
09-05 04:09 PM
My AP says i can enter prior to Sept 14 so can i enter on Sep 13th or is this considered risky. I know if i miss any flight or flight gets delayed, I am doomed.
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ItIsNotFunny
09-23 11:51 AM
Finished calling all except those who are not in favor.
Updated poll.
You must call to poeple not in favor first. Thats what you need to earn.
Updated poll.
You must call to poeple not in favor first. Thats what you need to earn.
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miththoo
11-07 02:01 PM
Does any of you trade in Indian shares? If so, did you have to open the PIS NRE account to do trading in Indian shares ? I heard that NRI from USA can not use the normal demat account to do the trading in secondary market in India.
Thanks,
Miththoo
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Miththoo
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aadimanav
08-22 02:27 PM
Mar 05 is my live PD. I mean i had other PD's in past but they were substituted.
What is the Point aadimanav ?
No point man. It was just a friendly question.
What is the Point aadimanav ?
No point man. It was just a friendly question.
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senk1s
05-21 01:58 PM
This is unprecedented - NSC was doing Eb3 140's slowly and now they stopped.
NSC EB2 140 is July 5th 2007 (my friend got approval yesterday by filing in Aug 2007)
Clear your cache and then reopen browser - you should be able to see MAY 15th update.
Thanks,
Unbelievable :(
If it is any more ridiculous, it'll be funny.
NSC140EB3 is like a sunk treasure ... we need to send Prof Indy to look for it
NSC EB2 140 is July 5th 2007 (my friend got approval yesterday by filing in Aug 2007)
Clear your cache and then reopen browser - you should be able to see MAY 15th update.
Thanks,
Unbelievable :(
If it is any more ridiculous, it'll be funny.
NSC140EB3 is like a sunk treasure ... we need to send Prof Indy to look for it
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jkays94
04-03 10:48 AM
These are the talking points that AILA is suggesting for calls made to the Senators, as one can see AILA's focus is broad and I'm not sure how else they could have been of help when they are doing essentially what IV is doing ie calling, faxing or lobbying with a broad based approach. They possibly could put IV's news releases or messages as part of what has been sent to the Senate. I urge everyone visit this link (http://www.aila.org/RecentPosting/RecentPostingList.aspx) and see what pro-immigrant groups are doing or saying which is not significantly different from what IV is doing :
Call your Senators (http://capwiz.com/aila2/callalert/index.tt?alertid=8554496&type=CO)
(please call between 9am & 5pm)
Ask For: Immigration Staffer
Talking Points:
1) Tell your Senator to support the Judiciary Committee's comprehensive immigration reform bill!
2) Tell them that we need a workable solution and path to eventual permanent status for the 12 million undocumented!
3) Tell them that we need a new temporary worker program that offers labor protections and a path to permanent status!
4) Tell them that the family and employment backlog provisions in the Chairman's Mark are good and should remain in the bill!
5) Tell them that full access to the Circuit Courts of Appeal must be preserved!
Call your Senators (http://capwiz.com/aila2/callalert/index.tt?alertid=8554496&type=CO)
(please call between 9am & 5pm)
Ask For: Immigration Staffer
Talking Points:
1) Tell your Senator to support the Judiciary Committee's comprehensive immigration reform bill!
2) Tell them that we need a workable solution and path to eventual permanent status for the 12 million undocumented!
3) Tell them that we need a new temporary worker program that offers labor protections and a path to permanent status!
4) Tell them that the family and employment backlog provisions in the Chairman's Mark are good and should remain in the bill!
5) Tell them that full access to the Circuit Courts of Appeal must be preserved!
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coopheal
10-04 11:29 AM
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=277584#post277584
As I said before
"EB3 I and in general all EB applicants need a solution now.
Until this process becomes so painful for us that we either go back or do a mass movement to get some legislative relief there are no better days for us."
As current bail out clearly points out that for any change to happen in this country situation has to go extreme.
So unless....
when new immigrants stop comming because of GC issues and current immigrant leave enmass
or
we do a some big enough show for our needs (not a single rally but something all over the country)
.....there are no better days for us.
This is indeed a gloomy and (in my view credible) story. The only thing possibly that can help us within the current laws, is the visa overflow from EB1 and EB2 ROW.
Lets hope for the best. The Nov. Visa bulletin will be confirmatory.
As I said before
"EB3 I and in general all EB applicants need a solution now.
Until this process becomes so painful for us that we either go back or do a mass movement to get some legislative relief there are no better days for us."
As current bail out clearly points out that for any change to happen in this country situation has to go extreme.
So unless....
when new immigrants stop comming because of GC issues and current immigrant leave enmass
or
we do a some big enough show for our needs (not a single rally but something all over the country)
.....there are no better days for us.
This is indeed a gloomy and (in my view credible) story. The only thing possibly that can help us within the current laws, is the visa overflow from EB1 and EB2 ROW.
Lets hope for the best. The Nov. Visa bulletin will be confirmatory.
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mundada
05-29 12:31 PM
This whole spelling bee thing is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. By any standards, it is pure and simple torture to subject the kids to memorizing thousands of words and their stupid spellings. And what use is that? Have they never heard of something called SPELL-CHECK in Microsoft Word and other email services ?
Or are they afraid that their kid will go to a job interview and someone might ask them to spell the word that no one on the planet ever uses and is only present in the Oxford Dictionary.
Those who subject their kids to such a regimented, rigorous, scripted childhood are preparing a next generation of work-force that would only know how to follow the orders and accept directions.
85 % of the fortune 500 CEOs are not MBAs. And the other 15% that have an MBA, only 3 of the 15 have done MBA from an IVY LEAGUE school.
What that tells you is that too much education and scholarly childhood increases your job security, in that sense that you will never be unemployed, but it decreases the chances that you will be on the top or you will be a billionaire.
The biggest prize goes NOT TO people who can follow directions and know everything, but who can GIVE directions and get things done.
It's like saying if I owned only one company's stock then I could be the richest person in world. Why do people diversify among stocks and then bonds? The moment you diversify you lose your chance to become the richest person in world.
A higher education betters your risk assessment. Your statistics may be correct but what your numbers don't say is the opposite side of coin? What is the percentage of people who don't have high school degree and earn less than $100,000 at the age of 35? Now what is that percentage for MBAs? What is the percentage of people who don't have at least a bachelors degree and are better than Project Manager by age of 35? Now what is that percentage for those who have at least a bachelors? The reason Sachin Tendulkar cannot hit fastest century but can score many centuries is because he is properly trained. He can assess risk better than Shahid Afridi can. Even though Shahid Afridi once had fastest century he was nowhere close to Sachin. Finally, a look at GM and Ford history from 1920 to 1940reveals the reason behind a need for a better risk assessment.
I don't see why everyone should strive to be the richest person or C-person in the world. Everyone has different value system. Some may like 9 to 5 job because they can enjoy other things in life... like lying down on beach, watching your child take first few steps, etc. Some moments never return in one's life.
I work with different Managing Directors, they earn a decent $250+ salaries but none of them even want to become CEO or for that matter any C-titled manager. I know one MD, in early 50s, who passed the C job because he wanted to go fishing with his 4 sons at his vacation home in New England... At that time he told me, "Once these bastards leave me I guess I will cherish spending time with them fishing at my vacation home more than counting big dollars in my bank account".
Or are they afraid that their kid will go to a job interview and someone might ask them to spell the word that no one on the planet ever uses and is only present in the Oxford Dictionary.
Those who subject their kids to such a regimented, rigorous, scripted childhood are preparing a next generation of work-force that would only know how to follow the orders and accept directions.
85 % of the fortune 500 CEOs are not MBAs. And the other 15% that have an MBA, only 3 of the 15 have done MBA from an IVY LEAGUE school.
What that tells you is that too much education and scholarly childhood increases your job security, in that sense that you will never be unemployed, but it decreases the chances that you will be on the top or you will be a billionaire.
The biggest prize goes NOT TO people who can follow directions and know everything, but who can GIVE directions and get things done.
It's like saying if I owned only one company's stock then I could be the richest person in world. Why do people diversify among stocks and then bonds? The moment you diversify you lose your chance to become the richest person in world.
A higher education betters your risk assessment. Your statistics may be correct but what your numbers don't say is the opposite side of coin? What is the percentage of people who don't have high school degree and earn less than $100,000 at the age of 35? Now what is that percentage for MBAs? What is the percentage of people who don't have at least a bachelors degree and are better than Project Manager by age of 35? Now what is that percentage for those who have at least a bachelors? The reason Sachin Tendulkar cannot hit fastest century but can score many centuries is because he is properly trained. He can assess risk better than Shahid Afridi can. Even though Shahid Afridi once had fastest century he was nowhere close to Sachin. Finally, a look at GM and Ford history from 1920 to 1940reveals the reason behind a need for a better risk assessment.
I don't see why everyone should strive to be the richest person or C-person in the world. Everyone has different value system. Some may like 9 to 5 job because they can enjoy other things in life... like lying down on beach, watching your child take first few steps, etc. Some moments never return in one's life.
I work with different Managing Directors, they earn a decent $250+ salaries but none of them even want to become CEO or for that matter any C-titled manager. I know one MD, in early 50s, who passed the C job because he wanted to go fishing with his 4 sons at his vacation home in New England... At that time he told me, "Once these bastards leave me I guess I will cherish spending time with them fishing at my vacation home more than counting big dollars in my bank account".
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thankgod
06-03 12:20 PM
Ronhia, I appreciate your comments. It needs conviction, dedication and consistent efforts to make such accomplishments. Moreover it also demonstrates the character of a person, who can motivate and inspire other kids in a positive way.. especially in an environment full of negative distractions.
If spelling bee competition is considered merely as just cramming the dictionary, as you rightly said we need to really spend some time looking beyond your own shell.
When you open a magazine, for sure, you tend to come across pages that may not be of interest to you. We skip the page and move on rather whining with words (yucky, stupid, senseless) that are inappropriate.
"Winning a national competition is not so great"... again it depends on what is so great to you !!!..
Cool baby cool.....
You dont know english. Follow the complete thread and what we are talking here about.
You guys go to a media portal and do all your appreciation there.
Why do you bark here. This is meant for immigration purpose.
Between loooks like you took the the help of word for spellings in your post.
Thanks to Microsoft for making such a great tool.
Happy Barking.
If spelling bee competition is considered merely as just cramming the dictionary, as you rightly said we need to really spend some time looking beyond your own shell.
When you open a magazine, for sure, you tend to come across pages that may not be of interest to you. We skip the page and move on rather whining with words (yucky, stupid, senseless) that are inappropriate.
"Winning a national competition is not so great"... again it depends on what is so great to you !!!..
Cool baby cool.....
You dont know english. Follow the complete thread and what we are talking here about.
You guys go to a media portal and do all your appreciation there.
Why do you bark here. This is meant for immigration purpose.
Between loooks like you took the the help of word for spellings in your post.
Thanks to Microsoft for making such a great tool.
Happy Barking.
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jsb
08-04 08:53 AM
I don't understand why people take offensive about expressing thoughts that has no bearing/ insulting towards anybody. I think using his/her language gives a person a powerful tool to express the emotion in a positive way. I think it shouldn't matter, if the person doesn't have ill feeling towards anybody.
This forum is nothing but a virtual place where like minded people mingle and discuss their sorrows and excitement; if somebody uses some other language to express feeling shouldn't have negative bearing on anybody. Of course, brief explanation in English is certainly helpful.
So far IV has enough people in almost all languages who can point out the trash or curse words that alerts other members who in turn can coordinate with admins to weed out those members from community.
I think these folks are better than the members who use the wild characters to trash talk all the time.
In my experience, I have seen the poetic folks are strong motivators and most of the folks that write these beautiful stanzas are selfless workers towards the community.
In short, I think we should not veraciously criticize these gentle folks.. Be kind to them.
Sorry, if you didn't like my comment. I am of Indian origin, and recognized/enjoyed your poetry and thoughts well. We can surely talk to our peers in any language, but writing for general information exchange on a public forum in our language may lead to regional labelling of our forum, which we don't intend.
This forum is nothing but a virtual place where like minded people mingle and discuss their sorrows and excitement; if somebody uses some other language to express feeling shouldn't have negative bearing on anybody. Of course, brief explanation in English is certainly helpful.
So far IV has enough people in almost all languages who can point out the trash or curse words that alerts other members who in turn can coordinate with admins to weed out those members from community.
I think these folks are better than the members who use the wild characters to trash talk all the time.
In my experience, I have seen the poetic folks are strong motivators and most of the folks that write these beautiful stanzas are selfless workers towards the community.
In short, I think we should not veraciously criticize these gentle folks.. Be kind to them.
Sorry, if you didn't like my comment. I am of Indian origin, and recognized/enjoyed your poetry and thoughts well. We can surely talk to our peers in any language, but writing for general information exchange on a public forum in our language may lead to regional labelling of our forum, which we don't intend.
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ragz4u
05-11 11:47 AM
I'll believe it when i see it.
I have heard and seen far too many such "stunts" and public displays to be excited just yet.
But it would be disastrous in terms of PR if even this fails. But like you, I would not hold my breath for this but am cautiously optimistic at the same time.
Also, please realize that any changes to the bill will meet absolute resistance from both sides. We will have to wait and see how many amendments are they planning on allowing.....
I have heard and seen far too many such "stunts" and public displays to be excited just yet.
But it would be disastrous in terms of PR if even this fails. But like you, I would not hold my breath for this but am cautiously optimistic at the same time.
Also, please realize that any changes to the bill will meet absolute resistance from both sides. We will have to wait and see how many amendments are they planning on allowing.....
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surabhi
10-01 05:06 PM
In most critical situations a person can file a lawsuit in federal court and ask court to 1) compel USCIS to process your EAD within 1-2 days and 2) enjoin DHS from going after the employer if person continues working with expired EAD. Part 2 is available only if employer wants to participate in a lawsuit. Otherwise, file it yourself, it requires the same amount of time as filing for EAD.
Lazycis
Can you give pointers on how / which court to file. ANy website link ,any past precedences on lawsuit for EAD would be really helpful
I am nearing the expiration of current EAD for both myself and my wife. I am pursuing all other options actively and they are work in progress.
USCIS expedite criteria met - no results for past 10 days
workig with congressman
sent to Ombudsman, they responsded that they are researching
took infopass, no help
THanks
Lazycis
Can you give pointers on how / which court to file. ANy website link ,any past precedences on lawsuit for EAD would be really helpful
I am nearing the expiration of current EAD for both myself and my wife. I am pursuing all other options actively and they are work in progress.
USCIS expedite criteria met - no results for past 10 days
workig with congressman
sent to Ombudsman, they responsded that they are researching
took infopass, no help
THanks
mikesin
09-22 06:48 PM
By Direction of the Chairman
09/23/2008
Full Committee
1:00 P.M. in 2141 Rayburn House Office Building
Continued Committee Markup of: H.R. 6598, H.R. 5882, H.R. 5924, H.R. 5950, and
To consider: a resolution and report recommending to the Hous of Representatives that Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey be cited for contempt of Congress
09/23/2008
Full Committee
1:00 P.M. in 2141 Rayburn House Office Building
Continued Committee Markup of: H.R. 6598, H.R. 5882, H.R. 5924, H.R. 5950, and
To consider: a resolution and report recommending to the Hous of Representatives that Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey be cited for contempt of Congress
kumarc123
06-12 01:54 PM
kumarc123 I merged your thread + created a redirect with this one because of duplicate post and same discussion on your post in 2 places.
Will respond to your other post soon. Pls look at us as people like you rather than venting against us for everything.
Papuu
I apologize if I said something wrong,but I strong believe I didn't. We need the OLD IV to do something big and practical, that's the only way, you will attract new members. I respect, all you have done, but I guess its time for you and other core members to plan something real and in open. We don't want to be informed about close door talks, we want action.
Will respond to your other post soon. Pls look at us as people like you rather than venting against us for everything.
Papuu
I apologize if I said something wrong,but I strong believe I didn't. We need the OLD IV to do something big and practical, that's the only way, you will attract new members. I respect, all you have done, but I guess its time for you and other core members to plan something real and in open. We don't want to be informed about close door talks, we want action.
