
quigleybc
Sep 8, 07:54 PM
kanye west can kiss my ass.....hes a whinny little bitch....
I disagree,
I agree with Kanye West when he said that George Bush doesn't care about black people...I agree with Kanye West when he said "F the Police"
As for all the people on here that think Kanye West "sucks" well that's your opinion, it seems like this site is home to a lot of metal heads...So I don't doubt that a lot of peeps on here think he sucks. Try going to the music discussion and say "metallica sucks" people would freak out..
It was odd that the F bombs were thrown out so casually, yet he censored himself with the N word..."she aint messin with no Broke...."
Why would he do that?
First of all hip hop is hard to pull off live.. it just is. I thought the sound for his performance was terrible. To his credit I though Kanye rose to the occasion and did the best with what he had...
His new album is the best thing to happen to hip hop in years. Seriously, go listen to it...you may stray from your head bangin ways...or not
was it a little awkward ya, but did it suck? no.
At least it wasn't Madonna..or Metallica....THEY suck! :eek: Feel free to freak out...
I disagree,
I agree with Kanye West when he said that George Bush doesn't care about black people...I agree with Kanye West when he said "F the Police"
As for all the people on here that think Kanye West "sucks" well that's your opinion, it seems like this site is home to a lot of metal heads...So I don't doubt that a lot of peeps on here think he sucks. Try going to the music discussion and say "metallica sucks" people would freak out..
It was odd that the F bombs were thrown out so casually, yet he censored himself with the N word..."she aint messin with no Broke...."
Why would he do that?
First of all hip hop is hard to pull off live.. it just is. I thought the sound for his performance was terrible. To his credit I though Kanye rose to the occasion and did the best with what he had...
His new album is the best thing to happen to hip hop in years. Seriously, go listen to it...you may stray from your head bangin ways...or not
was it a little awkward ya, but did it suck? no.
At least it wasn't Madonna..or Metallica....THEY suck! :eek: Feel free to freak out...
ArtOfWarfare
Jul 21, 09:19 AM
Oh my god...
did Apple seriously just make pointing fingers apart of their campaign?
I thought they were above that!
I understand that it's unfair that the other companies do that and all, but Apple really doesn't need to stoop to their level, do they?
did Apple seriously just make pointing fingers apart of their campaign?
I thought they were above that!
I understand that it's unfair that the other companies do that and all, but Apple really doesn't need to stoop to their level, do they?
MacBoobsPro
Sep 12, 07:23 AM
can we confim the what countrys itunes stores are down ?
usa/uk ...
UK is down
usa/uk ...
UK is down
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Rocketman
Oct 3, 01:58 PM
Just my opinion which has proven shockingly accurate this year.
MacBook Pro
I expect it to be updated within a month with a silent update when inventories of Yonah MacBook Pros are moderated. It wil have 802.11n installed but will not be supported until Airport super extreme or whatever is formally updated in November. Or perhaps on OSX 10.5 software update in 1-07.
MacBook
I expect it to stay Yonah until 1-07 when Steve wil show it as "one more thing". This is an Apple profit center and the market share leader. Maybe even colors at an upprice.
Mac-Mini 1-07 update to Merom and the declaration by Steve Jobs of 100% 64 bit accross the product line, a truly great achievement which will give him a legacy.
This will be the last "really impressive" processor upgrade for 2+ years into the future. Remaining improvements will be in features, communications, integration, sooftware, etc. The processor will become a gently updated commodity. This will be the first time ever, regular people will stop waiting for their computer to work, even when using multiple applications.
OSX wil be updaed to 10.5 of course as this is the central theme of 1-07. Related to this we will see updates of iApps to take advantage of new features and increased integration.
iPhone will be announced. Candy Bar format. Cingular as carrier with one of those rebranding agreements. Possibly even before Christmas.
There will be a separate media event for iTV and the iPod allscreen. That unit will be the center of a human's universe, Steve's dream of his lifetime. Phone/broadband, iPod, PDA, remote, OSX lite, everything except wiping your butt. Third parties will release that feature as a dongle. You will think you are Picard on ST-TNG.
Mac Pro 8-way. Dual Clovertown C2Q. Released.
X-serve 8-way. Dual Clovertown. Announced. The supercomputer reinvented.
802.11n networking. Surprise. Has been shipping since iMac Merom C2D.
Rocketman
MacBook Pro
I expect it to be updated within a month with a silent update when inventories of Yonah MacBook Pros are moderated. It wil have 802.11n installed but will not be supported until Airport super extreme or whatever is formally updated in November. Or perhaps on OSX 10.5 software update in 1-07.
MacBook
I expect it to stay Yonah until 1-07 when Steve wil show it as "one more thing". This is an Apple profit center and the market share leader. Maybe even colors at an upprice.
Mac-Mini 1-07 update to Merom and the declaration by Steve Jobs of 100% 64 bit accross the product line, a truly great achievement which will give him a legacy.
This will be the last "really impressive" processor upgrade for 2+ years into the future. Remaining improvements will be in features, communications, integration, sooftware, etc. The processor will become a gently updated commodity. This will be the first time ever, regular people will stop waiting for their computer to work, even when using multiple applications.
OSX wil be updaed to 10.5 of course as this is the central theme of 1-07. Related to this we will see updates of iApps to take advantage of new features and increased integration.
iPhone will be announced. Candy Bar format. Cingular as carrier with one of those rebranding agreements. Possibly even before Christmas.
There will be a separate media event for iTV and the iPod allscreen. That unit will be the center of a human's universe, Steve's dream of his lifetime. Phone/broadband, iPod, PDA, remote, OSX lite, everything except wiping your butt. Third parties will release that feature as a dongle. You will think you are Picard on ST-TNG.
Mac Pro 8-way. Dual Clovertown C2Q. Released.
X-serve 8-way. Dual Clovertown. Announced. The supercomputer reinvented.
802.11n networking. Surprise. Has been shipping since iMac Merom C2D.
Rocketman
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AhmedFaisal
Apr 13, 07:15 AM
I don't see anything wrong with it at all. People use children to carry goods all the time and the TSA agent was totally professional about it talking through each step. The rules are there to provide a layer of safety and if you think that it doesn't and don't like the rules, ride the bus!
Better yet, let's remove the TSA agents and let someone fly a plane into another building. :rolleyes:
That again? You do realize that 9/11 had very little to do with airport security but everything to do with incompetence on the side of the secret service and negligence on the side of the US government? TSA has not made airtravel any safer than prior to 9/11.
Better yet, let's remove the TSA agents and let someone fly a plane into another building. :rolleyes:
That again? You do realize that 9/11 had very little to do with airport security but everything to do with incompetence on the side of the secret service and negligence on the side of the US government? TSA has not made airtravel any safer than prior to 9/11.
phineas
Oct 7, 09:17 AM
Too bad that Map is a load of BS... I live in Coral Springs FL, just north of Ft Lauderdale... Verizons map says there is 3g coverage there... In my house and anywhere around my house i get 1 bar.... 1 lowzy bar!!! I switched back to AT&T and whoa, 5 bars, full signal, all the time! I don't understand why people bitch about AT&T... No phone company is any better... They all suck... Pull your panties up and move on...
I dare say that different technology's i.e. GSM vs CDMA could also be the problem in your area.
When I had Verizon, the worse and only problem was with a Razor the tech was an idiot........... Other than that very very stable network, cannot say that for AT&T
I dare say that different technology's i.e. GSM vs CDMA could also be the problem in your area.
When I had Verizon, the worse and only problem was with a Razor the tech was an idiot........... Other than that very very stable network, cannot say that for AT&T
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macsmurf
Apr 16, 02:01 AM
Apple's success is in large part driven by the ecosystem that they have built around iPod/iTunes/iPhone/iPad. Good luck to anyone breaking into that anytime soon. The day I can buy a song on Mac/PC, synch it to my Android phone, then stream it around my home to HiFi or TV then we will have a competitor. Apple knows it, the record companies and studios know it, someone needs to tell Google.
Spotify?
Spotify?
Darth.Titan
Mar 17, 12:54 AM
Nice. Too bad some kid is going to have $300 docked from his pay...
Nah... they'll probably flat out fire the kid.
But it's cool, because the important thing is that the OP got a great deal on his iPad! :rolleyes:
Beware OP, because Karma's a b!tch.
Nah... they'll probably flat out fire the kid.
But it's cool, because the important thing is that the OP got a great deal on his iPad! :rolleyes:
Beware OP, because Karma's a b!tch.
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petvas
Oct 29, 02:10 AM
Logic Pro 7 has yet to be cracked, so Apple has people who know how to do copyright protection. I suspect Leopard will employ very strong TPM integration compared to Tiger.
Well, Logic Pro 7 has been cracked and can be downloaded via usenet...
Well, Logic Pro 7 has been cracked and can be downloaded via usenet...
KnightWRX
Apr 29, 04:51 PM
major kernel version
1,2: 1.0 and 2.0
3: 3.0, WfW3.11, NT 3.51
4: 95, 98, NT4
5: 2000, XP
6: Vista
7: Windows 7 (but really 6.1):confused:
So the answer is, "marketing"
You're mixing up your kernels. NT 4.0 doesn't share a kernel with 95/98, NT 3.51 doesn't share a kernel with Windows 3.x...
Windows 7 is Windows 7 because it's the 7th release of Windows NT.
1- Windows NT 3.1
2- Windows NT 3.5
3- Windows NT 4.0
4- Windows 2000
5- Windows XP
6- Windows Vista
7- Windows 7
That's the only way it makes sense.
1,2: 1.0 and 2.0
3: 3.0, WfW3.11, NT 3.51
4: 95, 98, NT4
5: 2000, XP
6: Vista
7: Windows 7 (but really 6.1):confused:
So the answer is, "marketing"
You're mixing up your kernels. NT 4.0 doesn't share a kernel with 95/98, NT 3.51 doesn't share a kernel with Windows 3.x...
Windows 7 is Windows 7 because it's the 7th release of Windows NT.
1- Windows NT 3.1
2- Windows NT 3.5
3- Windows NT 4.0
4- Windows 2000
5- Windows XP
6- Windows Vista
7- Windows 7
That's the only way it makes sense.
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Nermal
Apr 14, 01:39 AM
New watch. It's not supposed to be pretty; I have a better-looking one for occasions that need it.

alphamale
Apr 7, 03:53 AM
http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae204/onkelalkohole/Mac/05_1698560682.jpg
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jfmartin
Jan 14, 08:50 AM
Found in a prototype Macbook Air used by Steve Jobs
The keynote to unfold like this
Welcome !
iPhone news (100%)
* Sales news - 5 millions sold !
* 8 g version of iPhone price drop - 329$ (50%)
* 16 g version of iPhone - 399$ (50%)
* 1.1.3 firmware as seen on the web in december (100%)
* SDK based apps in developpement will be shown
* The distribution model of iPhone apps (50%)
* through iTunes
* commercial or free
* automatic upgrade of new versions of Apps
* authentication/signature required for secure Apps
iTunes news (100%)
* More DRM-free content to compete with Amazon MP3 (50%)
* No Beatles (100%)
* Movie Rentals
* 2.99$ -3.99$
* 3 days rental period
* from the first play
* all majors (except sony)
* play on all iPod/iPhone/AppleTV/Macs
* Fox to encode version of the movie on the DVD, others studios to do the same
* Movies rental at the same time of the DVD is out to the market
* Movie for sale to see price hikes
* some more differential factors to be announced but still unknown (100%)
* iTunes 7.6 (not 8.0) (100%)
* iPods firmware to see new versions to allow movie rentals (100%)
AppleTV
* the forth leg of apple business, not a hobby anymore (100%)
* AppleTV open plateform with new tool to build software for the AppleTV
* some new tools will be shown
* software for AppleTV available though iTunes (same as iPhone software)
* new software version 2.0
* movie rentals (100%)
* make AppleTV less dependant of iTunes (rent directly from Internet) (80%)
* new options: weather, news, rss reader, web browsing? (30%)
* AppleTV device lineup
* price drop for the current AppleTV (249$) (100%)
* new AppleTV hardware with better sound support, other goodies still unknown (50%)
* 160 gigs (299$) (100%)
* 250 gigs (399$) (50%)
* new Apple Remote (100%)
Now, one more thing...
* New MacBooks pro with new case design (50%)
* New MacBooks with new case design (70%)
* Review of the current state of light portables in the market
* why is not mainstream ? What can we do to fix this ?
* introducing Macbook Air (100%)
* no SSD drive but 1.8 inch drives up to 160 gigs
* no optical drives, sold seperately
* two screen sizes: 13", 11-12"
* aluminum, grey or black
* very thin!!!
* LED display
* i/o ports very special to allow slimmer case design (details unknown)
* 1500$ - 2000$
Thanks to everybody for coming !
1) Announces deal with movie companies for rentals through iTunes. These rentals will last the running time of the movie and cost $20.
2) :apple:TV updated so that it can stream rental movies, but only to analog tvs.
3) "There's Something in the Air" slogan turns out to be Apple branded oxygen dispenser called the iMask
4) 16GB iPhone released for original price ($599)
5) Mac mini discontinued
6) Surprise switch back to Motorola chip (G6) with immediate updates for all laptop & desktop models
7) "One More Thing" is rumored lightweight notebook (also doubles as hot plate)
8) Steve announces the date he will step down as iCEO of Apple
Before I get flamed, think about how little everyone will have to complain about the actual keynote in light of my pessimistic predictions (I don't actually think any of these things will happen).
The keynote to unfold like this
Welcome !
iPhone news (100%)
* Sales news - 5 millions sold !
* 8 g version of iPhone price drop - 329$ (50%)
* 16 g version of iPhone - 399$ (50%)
* 1.1.3 firmware as seen on the web in december (100%)
* SDK based apps in developpement will be shown
* The distribution model of iPhone apps (50%)
* through iTunes
* commercial or free
* automatic upgrade of new versions of Apps
* authentication/signature required for secure Apps
iTunes news (100%)
* More DRM-free content to compete with Amazon MP3 (50%)
* No Beatles (100%)
* Movie Rentals
* 2.99$ -3.99$
* 3 days rental period
* from the first play
* all majors (except sony)
* play on all iPod/iPhone/AppleTV/Macs
* Fox to encode version of the movie on the DVD, others studios to do the same
* Movies rental at the same time of the DVD is out to the market
* Movie for sale to see price hikes
* some more differential factors to be announced but still unknown (100%)
* iTunes 7.6 (not 8.0) (100%)
* iPods firmware to see new versions to allow movie rentals (100%)
AppleTV
* the forth leg of apple business, not a hobby anymore (100%)
* AppleTV open plateform with new tool to build software for the AppleTV
* some new tools will be shown
* software for AppleTV available though iTunes (same as iPhone software)
* new software version 2.0
* movie rentals (100%)
* make AppleTV less dependant of iTunes (rent directly from Internet) (80%)
* new options: weather, news, rss reader, web browsing? (30%)
* AppleTV device lineup
* price drop for the current AppleTV (249$) (100%)
* new AppleTV hardware with better sound support, other goodies still unknown (50%)
* 160 gigs (299$) (100%)
* 250 gigs (399$) (50%)
* new Apple Remote (100%)
Now, one more thing...
* New MacBooks pro with new case design (50%)
* New MacBooks with new case design (70%)
* Review of the current state of light portables in the market
* why is not mainstream ? What can we do to fix this ?
* introducing Macbook Air (100%)
* no SSD drive but 1.8 inch drives up to 160 gigs
* no optical drives, sold seperately
* two screen sizes: 13", 11-12"
* aluminum, grey or black
* very thin!!!
* LED display
* i/o ports very special to allow slimmer case design (details unknown)
* 1500$ - 2000$
Thanks to everybody for coming !
1) Announces deal with movie companies for rentals through iTunes. These rentals will last the running time of the movie and cost $20.
2) :apple:TV updated so that it can stream rental movies, but only to analog tvs.
3) "There's Something in the Air" slogan turns out to be Apple branded oxygen dispenser called the iMask
4) 16GB iPhone released for original price ($599)
5) Mac mini discontinued
6) Surprise switch back to Motorola chip (G6) with immediate updates for all laptop & desktop models
7) "One More Thing" is rumored lightweight notebook (also doubles as hot plate)
8) Steve announces the date he will step down as iCEO of Apple
Before I get flamed, think about how little everyone will have to complain about the actual keynote in light of my pessimistic predictions (I don't actually think any of these things will happen).
miles01110
Apr 21, 12:06 PM
On IE7 I just tried to vote a post "up" and the counter incremented +2. I then tried to undo this by voting it "down" and the counter incremented +2 again. Now post #50 is at +5, when it should be at +1.
I tried a different post and the expected behavior ensued. Weird.
Edit: And now I just tried this post. I could increment up then down to get to -1, but couldn't change my vote after two instances.
I tried a different post and the expected behavior ensued. Weird.
Edit: And now I just tried this post. I could increment up then down to get to -1, but couldn't change my vote after two instances.
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balamw
Oct 2, 10:46 PM
Hello "lawyer". No legal permission is required for reverse engineering.
The DMCA changed that, and until it's tested in court anything where encryption is used or even potentially used is not "safe" to reverse engineer in the US.
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The DMCA changed that, and until it's tested in court anything where encryption is used or even potentially used is not "safe" to reverse engineer in the US.
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Hallivand
Apr 6, 04:49 AM
So an app advertises an app for advertising more apps.
Nice one Apple.
Nice one Apple.
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Lord Blackadder
Aug 4, 11:41 AM
We should have had electric cars for short-haul 20 years ago.
Practical electric cars have been manufactured and sold for over 100 years. However, petroluem fueled cars have always offered longer range, more power, and generally lower cost. For short-haul runabouts the electric car has been available as an alternative almost as long as the car itself has existed.
EDIT: The price-gouging on the Volt is highly unproductive. The point of the Volt is to build and sell a practical, affordable series hybrid - the MSRP is already very high, so the gouging just makes the car unattainably expensive.
Practical electric cars have been manufactured and sold for over 100 years. However, petroluem fueled cars have always offered longer range, more power, and generally lower cost. For short-haul runabouts the electric car has been available as an alternative almost as long as the car itself has existed.
EDIT: The price-gouging on the Volt is highly unproductive. The point of the Volt is to build and sell a practical, affordable series hybrid - the MSRP is already very high, so the gouging just makes the car unattainably expensive.

Finlandboy
Apr 11, 01:14 PM
Bought a temporary cheap case for my iPad 2 off Amazon due to be broke from buying the ipad and spring break.
but im extremely happy with it and it is higher quality then i expected so i'm content. :D
but im extremely happy with it and it is higher quality then i expected so i'm content. :D
DeathChill
May 3, 11:38 PM
Since I am the local technology guru, people are just shy of harassing given the constant barrage of questions just asking if I own one. They are amazed that I do not own an iPad or tablet since they are "popular".
I can afford one but the lack of MKV playback is the deal killer. So that makes it $499 to browse the internet.
Just curious, what is wrong with Air Video?
I can afford one but the lack of MKV playback is the deal killer. So that makes it $499 to browse the internet.
Just curious, what is wrong with Air Video?
SuperCachetes
Apr 25, 09:46 PM
No, I expect human beings to try and stop another from being seriously hurt.
This.
There's entirely too much "not giving a **** about each other" in this world. Social class, race, employment, on-the-clock/off-the-clock should make a **** of difference when it comes to human compassion. At least in theory...
Stay classy, Baltimore. :rolleyes:
This.
There's entirely too much "not giving a **** about each other" in this world. Social class, race, employment, on-the-clock/off-the-clock should make a **** of difference when it comes to human compassion. At least in theory...
Stay classy, Baltimore. :rolleyes:
SavMan
Oct 11, 08:11 PM
For the last time, folks...
THE MATERIALS ON THE 5G iPOD ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THOSE ON THE 4G!
The main differences are the addition of black underlay on one model, and the change to squared edges from rounded. The top layer of acrylic on an iPod is clear, and like any clear solid, will shunt light along it. Ever look at fiber-optic cable? Notice this: if you shine a light at the terminal of the cable (the leading edge of the fibers) they will duct light to the other end. You won't see the light from the sides, nor will shining a light at the side of the cable cause light to be refracted through the cable ends.
What happens on the new iPods that didn't happen on the old ones is that a large amount of light is coming through the flat edges of the acrylic. When your iPod is shiny and new (or if you're smart enough to put a modicum of protection on your $250�$400 appliance) light just shunts from one side of the iPod to the other. When you start making scratches in the acrylic however, the light escapes through the new "edge" (the gouge), effectively illuminating the otherwise innocuous scratch. This is also why the black iPods seem more affected than the white: the contrast is obviously higher against a black background.
Another huge issue: most iPod users prior to this year owned the nearly scratch-proof iPod mini. The contrast between the anodized aluminum's resilience and the acrylic's proclivity to mar caused a lot more people to bitch. A lot of nanos were sold to folks who assumed they could just toss it in their pocket next to their coins and keys.
To recap: there were no material changes in the acrylic used on the new iPods. Period. The only difference is the manner in which the acrylic is shaped. The round sides of the old iPods didn't allow light to enter the skin to any significant degree. Check out a 4G sometime, God knows I see enough on a daily basis myself. They'll be every bit as scratched (usually more), but it won't effect the appearance nearly as much. Thank you.
(I wish I had a "The More You Know" image right here.)
THE MATERIALS ON THE 5G iPOD ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THOSE ON THE 4G!
The main differences are the addition of black underlay on one model, and the change to squared edges from rounded. The top layer of acrylic on an iPod is clear, and like any clear solid, will shunt light along it. Ever look at fiber-optic cable? Notice this: if you shine a light at the terminal of the cable (the leading edge of the fibers) they will duct light to the other end. You won't see the light from the sides, nor will shining a light at the side of the cable cause light to be refracted through the cable ends.
What happens on the new iPods that didn't happen on the old ones is that a large amount of light is coming through the flat edges of the acrylic. When your iPod is shiny and new (or if you're smart enough to put a modicum of protection on your $250�$400 appliance) light just shunts from one side of the iPod to the other. When you start making scratches in the acrylic however, the light escapes through the new "edge" (the gouge), effectively illuminating the otherwise innocuous scratch. This is also why the black iPods seem more affected than the white: the contrast is obviously higher against a black background.
Another huge issue: most iPod users prior to this year owned the nearly scratch-proof iPod mini. The contrast between the anodized aluminum's resilience and the acrylic's proclivity to mar caused a lot more people to bitch. A lot of nanos were sold to folks who assumed they could just toss it in their pocket next to their coins and keys.
To recap: there were no material changes in the acrylic used on the new iPods. Period. The only difference is the manner in which the acrylic is shaped. The round sides of the old iPods didn't allow light to enter the skin to any significant degree. Check out a 4G sometime, God knows I see enough on a daily basis myself. They'll be every bit as scratched (usually more), but it won't effect the appearance nearly as much. Thank you.
(I wish I had a "The More You Know" image right here.)
SandynJosh
Mar 28, 05:11 PM
This is kind of rough. Shame it's heading this way.
Think about it. If MS Office is too large to sell through the App Store, then Apple avoids the dubious situation where it needs to offer the award to Microsoft. :)
Think about it. If MS Office is too large to sell through the App Store, then Apple avoids the dubious situation where it needs to offer the award to Microsoft. :)
klaus
Aug 17, 04:22 PM
Received my replacement display today:
Stuck green pixel.
Gray dot in the center, looks like dust behind lcd glass?
Even backlight, or sort off.
Lots of ghosting...
This display is going back as well. I'll call tomorrow. I'll ask for one more replacement, otherwise i want a refund.
C'mon Apple, how hard is it to get me a nice 23" display? I have one already, without ghosting, some backlight leakage ok, but I just want a second display to go with it. Is it that hard?
You can't see the issue as clearly as in real life, but you can see the edges of the windows clearly. I can still read the songs of my itunes library while I closed iTunes 20 seconds ago.
Stuck green pixel.
Gray dot in the center, looks like dust behind lcd glass?
Even backlight, or sort off.
Lots of ghosting...
This display is going back as well. I'll call tomorrow. I'll ask for one more replacement, otherwise i want a refund.
C'mon Apple, how hard is it to get me a nice 23" display? I have one already, without ghosting, some backlight leakage ok, but I just want a second display to go with it. Is it that hard?
You can't see the issue as clearly as in real life, but you can see the edges of the windows clearly. I can still read the songs of my itunes library while I closed iTunes 20 seconds ago.
dont24
Nov 24, 08:12 AM
Hopefully it still applies to corporate discounts too. Can anyone confirm what?
Looks like it does. I checked the corporate discount page. The 24" iMac regular $1999, is $1880 - $101. Not bad. $1779 shipped.
Too bad there's no savings on the Mac Pro.
Looks like it does. I checked the corporate discount page. The 24" iMac regular $1999, is $1880 - $101. Not bad. $1779 shipped.
Too bad there's no savings on the Mac Pro.